Nazi hunting. Sounds like a glamorous job, but judging from Operation
Last Chance, a new book by Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff, catching
Nazis is more grit than glamour.
In the book, published by Palgrave MacMillan, Zuroff recounts
his recent painstaking efforts in finding aging Nazis and their
collaborators around the world and convincing often reluctant
local governments to extradite and prosecute them.
Zuroff, who heads the Simon Wiesenthal Center's
Jerusalem office, has been helping catch and punish Nazi war
criminals since 1980. Brought up in Brooklyn and a graduate of
Yeshiva University, Zuroff later received his doctorate from
Hebrew University and today lives in Efrat.
The Jewish Press recently spoke with him.
The Jewish Press: Some of the war criminals
the Simon Wiesenthal Center hunts are over 90 years old. Why
chase people for crimes committed over 60 years ago?
Zuroff: The passage of time in no way diminishes the guilt of
the killers. We don't think people deserve a medal simply because
they reach an old age.
To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a
country in the civilized world (save Sweden) that limits prosecution
for genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity based on
age. The issue is not the person's age; it's whether or not he
or she is mentally and physically capable of standing trial.
I have a case now in Budapest of someone whose
date of birth is 1914, which makes him 95 years old. But he's
in very good health. He lives by himself, takes care of all his
needs, he's busy suing me for libel, running around giving interviews,
and fighting against us in every single way possible. There's
no reason to ignore him just because his date of birth is 1914.
If we were to set a limit based on age it
would mean that if you were lucky enough and/or rich enough and/or
smart enough to elude justice until you reach that age, you're
off the hook. That would obviously be a travesty.
We also feel that the victims of the Shoah deserve that their persecutors be
held accountable for their crimes. How would it look if we stopped
and then a person asked us, "What about this person who murdered my grandmother during the Shoah?"
You write in the book that some Jewish communities around the world do not appreciate
your Nazi-hunting activities. Why?
Some communities [especially in Eastern Europe] feel vulnerable
to anti-Semitism and they're afraid that [cooperating with
us] will increase anti-Semitism.
In Eastern Europe anti-Semitism is of the
traditional sort. It doesn't have to do with the Middle East
like in Western Europe. It's the usual things, like "The Jews killed Jesus." In other words, typical anti-Semitic themes based on economic, religious, nationalistic
and ethnic reasons.
Remember, in these countries we're running
after local Nazi war criminals. We're pressing local governments
to put their own people - Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians,
and Croatians - on trial in their own countries for collaborating
with the Nazis.
Which countries have been the most cooperative
in prosecuting Nazis and their collaborators, and which have
been the least cooperative?
The country with the best record in the world is undoubtedly
the United States. However, it's easier to win Nazi war crimes
cases in the United States because the people are not being
prosecuted on criminal charges but rather for immigration and
naturalization violations. In the States all you have to prove
is that someone lied on his immigration or citizenship application.
Many people claimed they were students, farmers, or officials,
masking the fact that they had been members of security police
units, guards in concentration camps and the like.
Elsewhere in the world, with the exception
of Canada, which does the same thing as America, you have to
prove that someone actually committed a crime or was an accessory
to a crime.
How about the least cooperative country?
I would place the least cooperative countries in two different
categories. There are countries like the Ukraine, which has
refused to do anything. In other words, they have never even
investigated a local Ukrainian Nazi war criminal since they've
become independent.
And then there are countries that carry out
investigations - and, in some cases, even trials - but they're
just going through the motions while doing everything possible
to prevent the criminals from being punished.
The classic examples in that regard are Lithuania,
Latvia, and Estonia. But you also have countries like Austria,
which has not successfully prosecuted a Nazi war criminal in
more than 30 years - and it's not because there are no Nazi war
criminals in Austria.
Why are these countries so uncooperative?
Because it's politically incorrect and difficult to punish local
Nazi war criminals. They don't want to draw attention to the
serious extent of their own collaboration with the Nazis.
You also see this in the recent and very dangerous
attempts by post-Communist Eastern European countries to equate
the crimes of Communism with the crimes of Nazism. This is really
an attack on the Jewish narrative of the Holocaust. The leaders
in this regard are the Baltic countries, and for good reason.
In Eastern Europe Jews are very much identified with Communism,
so if they can gain recognition that Communism equals Nazism,
that means the Jews are as bad as the Nazis. This would then
deflect blame from their collaboration with the Nazis during
World War II and their failure to bring their own Nazi war criminals
to justice.
What would you say has been your greatest
achievement?
I think one of my greatest achievements was my role in facilitating
the prosecution of Dinko Sakic, who was the commandment of
the Jasenovac concentration camp, one of the worst concentration
camps in Europe, in which at least 90,000 civilians - mostly
Serbs, but also 18,000 Jews, gypsies and anti-Fascist Croatians
- were murdered. Sakic was one of the commanders of the camp,
and we exposed him in Argentina and saw to it that he was extradited
to stand trial in Croatia. He got the maximum sentence of 20
years and died in prison.
How about your biggest failure or disappointment?
The biggest disappointment was that we didn't find Dr. Albert
Heim, the infamous "Doctor
Death" from the Mauthausen concentration camp. I went all over the world to search
for him. I was in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay trying
to find him, but we were not successful.
[The New York Times recently reported] that
he died in Cairo in 1992, but it's impossible to verify that
contention because there's no body. Had we found him it would
have been a fantastic coup, and it would've been a trial of great
importance. But, listen, what could I say? It's a tremendous
job, but it doesn't always end nicely or with success.
How many new Nazis or Nazi collaborators have
you discovered since you launched Operation Last Chance in 2002?
We started Operation Last Chance in 13 different countries, and
we received the names of 536 suspects, which passed three tests.
Test number one was that the information was credible. In other
words, if someone said to me, "I
have a very nasty neighbor who's 87 years old and has a German
accent; he must be a Nazi," that's obviously not credible. That's meaningless. But if he said, "I have a neighbor who I know was in a Lithuanian security police battalion that
was sent to Belarus," that's serious because there was such a Lithuanian battalion involved in mass
murder.
Test number two was a person's health. He
had to be alive and healthy enough to stand trial. The third
was that he or she - and there were in fact women guards in concentration
camps, some of them notorious for their cruelty - had not been
previously prosecuted for the crime because if they were we can't
prosecute them again.
How many Nazis and Nazi collaborators in total
are still alive around the world?
No one knows the answer to that, but every year we establish
an annual report on what's going on all over the world. And
our latest report shows that as of April 1, 2009, there were
706 ongoing cases of Nazi war criminals throughout the world.
What's the biggest impediment today to catching
war criminals?
Lack of political will. Contrary to common perception, in many
cases it's not that hard to find the Nazis or the evidence.
But if the government responsible for putting this person on
trial or extraditing him won't do it, we're in trouble. So
I say my job is one- third detective, one-third historian,
and one-third political activist.
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